24: Live Another Day Cast Photos

We’ve got the first cast photos for 24: Live Another Day – check out returning stars Kiefer Sutherland, Mary Lynn Rajskub, Kim Raver, and William Devane along with new cast members Yvonne Strahovski, Tate Donovan, Michael Wincott, Gbenga Akinnagbe and Benjamin Bratt.

Kiefer Sutherland returns as Jack Bauer in 24: Live Another Day
Kiefer Sutherland returns as Jack Bauer in 24: Live Another Day
Mary Lynn Rajskub returns as Jack's confidante, Chloe O'Brian in 24: Live Another Day
Mary Lynn Rajskub returns as Jack’s confidante, Chloe O’Brian in 24: Live Another Day
Kim Raver returns as Jack's former flame, and First Daughter, Audrey in 24: Live Another Day
Kim Raver returns as Jack’s former flame, and First Daughter, Audrey in 24: Live Another Day
William Devane as President James Heller in 24: Live Another Day
William Devane as President James Heller in 24: Live Another Day
Yvonne Strahovski as CIA agent Kate Morgan in 24: Live Another Day
Yvonne Strahovski as CIA agent Kate Morgan in 24: Live Another Day
Benjamin Bratt as CIA head Steve Navarro in 24: Live Another Day
Benjamin Bratt as CIA head Steve Navarro in 24: Live Another Day
Gbenga Akinnagbe as CIA field operative Erik Ritter in 24: Live Another Day
Gbenga Akinnagbe as CIA field operative Erik Ritter in 24: Live Another Day
Giles Matthey as CIA computer tech Jordan Reed in 24: Live Another Day
Giles Matthey as CIA computer tech Jordan Reed in 24: Live Another Day
Michael Wincott as high-profile hacker Adrian Cross in 24: Live Another Day
Michael Wincott as high-profile hacker Adrian Cross in 24: Live Another Day
Tate Donovan as Chief of Staff Mark Boudreau (and Audrey's new husband) in 24: Live Another Day
Tate Donovan as Chief of Staff Mark Boudreau (and Audrey’s new husband) in 24: Live Another Day


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Never seen such a dull, insipid lineup of new characters in the history of 24.

RIP Peggy Kennedy.

And what do you know about them beside what they look like? Yeah. Your comment is what is dull and insipid.

Isn’t it weird seeing Heller as president after we had David Palmer.

And Logan, Keeler, Wayne Palmer, Gardner, Daniels, Allison Taylor…

Oh C’mon there not that bad……. maybe except for Tate Donovan….. Still not sure about him. On another note You seem to be bashing the show ever sense the announcement of it’s return….. Do u still plan on watching it? Cause if not it seems like your bashing for the sake of bashing?…….

Some people are just genuinely pathetic like that, seeking out things they hate online solely to bash them in the hopes of getting attention from the people they’re annoying. Don’t worry about people like that, their lives are already pretty pathetic, just pity them.

I’ve been bashing the show because I care about it, and hate to see that it’s lost its balls and is squandering its potential like it is. 24 has become like a series of photocopies in terms of story and character, and after a while the quality of each new copy suffers and can’t hope to match the originals. It’s like they go in the writers room and say “who will be our mole/ambitious politician” this year?” or “what shall we call our “agent with a past” this year?” Instead of coming up with something new.

And yes, I do plan on watching LAD. While the ingredients may be lousy, they could still make a good cake out of it, and I’m hoping that they do.

And what the hell is with this place? Seems if you don’t suck the writer’s cocks and say everything they do is amazing, you’re some kind of troll. Trolls would say things like “24 sux lol” and add nothing to the discussion.

And Daniel, while I find your classic symptoms of projection amusing, I really DON’T seek your attention and would rather you just ignored me to be honest.

No, you’re some kind of troll if you keep making shallow, sexist, homophobic, insulting comments that add nothing to the discussion. Clearly the comment policy on this site is something that applies to other people, not you.

But hey, it’s okay for me to call you a troll, XAM. After all, I’m only bashing you because I care about you, and I don’t want to see you squander your potential.

Without knowing too many details, it doesn’t look like a complete rehash of previous seasons. The “mole” has already been revealed as Kate’s ex husband. Her storyline is about redemption and that doesn’t feel like a repeat of previous characters (certainly nothing like Dana Walsh!) The computer hacker group is a lot different than the usual big bad plot
And with only 12 episodes there should be a lot less filler. I’m very happy with what I’ve seen so far.

Just from the trailer, I already don’t like Tate Donovan’s character. Granted, as a huge Jack/Audrey shipper I was never going to like him, but I am glad to see that he seems to be designed to be hated…hoping that bodes well for Jack and Audrey having some hope. A shipper can dream, right?

Yeah it is weird that Heller is president.

Just watch stargate and the dark knight, he’s been president twice, not so weird haha

Weird in the fact that every president in 24 history seems to be chosen out of Jack Bauer’s social circle. Weird, as in, far-fetched and unbelievable. I yearn for the days of Season 1…

It’s also far-fetched and unbelievable that Chloe just happened to be in DC and NYC for 7 and 8, and just happens to be in London for LAD.

And with regards the president, I’ve often argued there doesn’t have to be one at all. Every single one of them, bar Logan and David Palmer has outright sucked. It’s tragic how much time was wasted on Alison Taylor, Jack should have shot both her and Suvarov. I imagine a new president would have been worse even than her. There are only so many tight spots you can put a president in, and there are only so many shits you can give as a viewer when you’ve seen it all before with characters you cared about much more. BUT having said that if there absolutely has to be a president, then far-fetched or not a well loved character like James Heller is the only choice you have. In fact he’s one of the only reasons I’m giving LAD a chance.

The best part about Heller being president is there won’t be an annoying First Family subplot involving a Sandra Palmer/Olivia Taylor type of character. And from the look of things so far, there haven’t been any potential “annoying subplot characters” (ala the Kevin Wade or Maia Driscoll) added to the cast either.

Not every president was in his social circle. Keeler and Gardner weren’t. Taylor wasn’t until he met her. Wayne and David Palmer were the only two really in his social circle from the get go of their presidency, even if David Palmer didn’t know it. Logan learned of him after Keeler died, Daniels learned of him through Wayne, Gardner knew of him from the Logan stuff. Then Taylor was in his social circle in season 8 as she knew him from 7. Besides both Palmer’s they weren’t in with Jack.

And yeah I’d be glad if there was no white house crap either, like season 1.

Great photos!

Interesting developments on Carlos Bernards twitter account…

Like what? All I see his appreciation towards everybody wanting Tony to come back, no new hints or anything.

“Keep the faith” could be seen as some kind of hint.

Why we don’t have Michelle Fairley ‘s character picture ?
And I love the Jack’s look: smiling and ferocious at the same time !

I think they only included the series regulars for the photo shoot, and Michelle Fairley is considered a recurring guest.

Interesting tweets from onlookers today:

They’re filming 24 in Ickenham. I saw rubble, gas canisters and a fire engine. I deduce that Bauer will try to thwart a terror plot.

@CoopersCoffee 37m
Some interesting filming going in at Swakeleys House today, rumour has it it’s 24! pic.twitter.com/eSzHgyjBkb

Not sure if they are filming at the same location as yesterday (where Kim Raver tweeted a photo). Looks similar, but not quite the same building. None of the actors who worked yesterday (hacker characters, Audrey) have confirmed they are also filming today.

Just went back to check, and this is not the same building that Kim Raver tweeted about yesterday.

The building Kim Raver tweeted about is Syon House in Brentford, and the other tweets are about Swakeleys House in Ickenham

Thanks for the info.

No worries – the guardian has some pictures of what they were filming at Swakeleys House, but be warned it’s a pretty spoiler-y: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2580294/Kiefer-Sutherland-takes-break-filming-24-party-Londons-famous-Groucho-Club.html

Glad they’ve moved past telephone boxes and black cabs into what England is REALLY all about – the countryside!

And I don’t remember 24 ever being that gory before.

Nick Heckstall-Smith tweeted that he’s started shooting on his next episode block, but there haven’t been any reports of night shoots yet. I hope they’re going to include at least a few nighttime episodes during the season, and not skip them entirely (which they can technically do). It wouldn’t be 24 without night episodes.

Well the following is pretty gory maybe 24’s taking it up one notch on the action side. Honestly doesn’t surprise me. If fox is letting the following be pretty gory 24 is obviously no exception.

Fox announced that 24: Live Another Day will not air enough episodes before the 2014 Emmy deadline and will compete in the 2015 Awards instead.


I don’t doubt Kiefer’s emmy winning credentials one bit, but you can’t win an emmy without writers providing you with emmy worthy material. It was a no-brainer he’d win for day 5 because absolutely nothing could touch the show that year for sheer excitement or dramatic intensity. But now, for Fox to talk with a straight face about LAD competing in the emmys is like Madonna being completely oblivious to the existence of younger, hotter and more talented women.

Tired, stale, repeated plots aside. Assuming my pessimism is proven wrong and they deliver a great season. They’ve still absolutely exhausted the character’s emmy potential. He’s lost his wife and many others close to him, he’s been betrayed by his country and come face to face with a corrupt president, been tortured in China at the behest of his family, witnessed a nuclear bomb hit his city, came close to death and had an emotional reunion with his daughter, lost more loved ones and gone on a rampage… yet through all this, every damn season he’s still exactly the bloody same self-sacrificing glutton for government punishment he always has been, and I root for him less and less each time.

Bryan Cranston scored 3 emmys for Walter White because his character change was so compelling. If only the writers could bring about a real dramatic emmy worthy change in Jack, and at this point the only two things they can do is have a Jack that finally puts himself first and says “fuck the greater good” or… and I hate to say it, finally end Jack’s life. Either way Kiefer deserves ALOT better than the dreck they’re giving him now.

You touched on something that always intrigued me in regards to the eventual and (sadly) inevitable end of ’24’ at some point; would the writers have the cojones to kill Jack, would FOX allow them to, and would said writers actually commit to that gutsy move if they genuinely felt that was where the show needed to go, even standing their ground against a reluctant studio to that effect?

Whilst I would and indeed will miss ’24’ terribly when the end does come, I would much rather it goes out on a high with it’s reputation, legacy, and public goodwill firmly intact… that was how the series ended in 2010 (the troubled sixth season notwithstanding), and it’s certainly a major gambit to return to the well again, but I remain cautiously optimistic about ‘Live Another Day’ and believe there is many good reasons to both hope and expect it will be a great new addition to the ’24’ canon… let’s hope your pessimism is indeed proved wrong, XAM dude!

That’s a long wait for the emmy’s of next year…….

For me, the best end has already taken place, the season 6 one, when Jack is standing at the edge of a cliff, his gun in his hand, it was both an open end: what will he do? jump? shooting himself in the head? and a closure end as he was at the of the road looking across the vacuum. I would like the authors find this same idea to end 24 (snifff)

It’s more than a little ironic that the season most people (rightly) consider ’24’s worst season – Season 6 – is the season with unquestionably the best production values, the best onscreen action, and both the single BEST scene and season ending to date… it just doesn’t get any better than that last poignant scene between Jack, Heller, and (an unconcious) Audrey, which makes the return of the latter two characters in ‘Live Another Day’ all the more compelling!

Eh Season 4 ending was pretty darn good. For me that’s one of 24’s best. it was really cool. I hope season 9 as something like that if not just as good.

The final moments of season 4 with Jack walking across the train tracks during sunrise was amazing. Sean Callery’s score was perfect!

Season 4 would be my pick for best ending too. Season 7 is how they should kill Jack if they were going to and end it. But killing him now would be kinda redundant. Season 4 of having him out there yet dead to all but a few would have been the best way to end the series, if it wasn’t already used.

I still think season 7 was the best way to end 24. Jack saved the country yet again. He gets infected by the bio weapon. He accepts the fact that he will die. A middle eastern guy comes in and forgives him for what he has done in the past. Kim stays at his bed side as he passes away. Season 6 ending was great with Hellar and Jack facing off. But in season 7 Jack accepts the fact he is going to die. Still excited that 24 is back though.

Season 7’s ending wouldn’t of been right to end the series on…… So I disagree besides kims line was I’m Sorry but I’m not ready to let you go. It pretty much was asking for an eighth…… I mean he got infected & was experiencing painful side effects from the bio weapon. If I was watching someone close die I would do whatever I could to save them. Obviously it was plausible how they ended 7 cause he needed to be saved but not for a series final. I couldn’t watch someone die like that if I knew they had a chance at being saved I would probably do what kim. did. Besides if they killed Jack @ 7 we wouldn’t be getting 24 back. So I’m glad they ended the series were they did. cause it just opens up new possibility’s for new stories. & I’m glad 24 is coming back.

Actually Mander dude, Season 6 had alot going for it. There were genuine flashes of brilliance throughout the day, but ultimately it was just a careless rush job by a bunch of spastics. The ending was fantastic, and I have to say all things considered Season 6 is actually a little bit better than the crushingly disappointing 7. That’s not saying much you understand, ‘cos I think both seasons are complete and utter toilet.

7s painfully boring finale would have been horrific to end on – in fact the final 6 episodes of 7 were the absolute worst in the shows entire history – and not because of Tony’s turn to the dark side either (which I actually liked initially), but because of the Imam and muslim brothers (coming out of nowhere with absolutely no relevance to the days events) preaching to us lessons of tolerance we never asked for, continuing the meandering conspiracy of the people behind the people behind the people behind the people who murdered Palmer, the sheer torture of the Taylor administration dramas taking up a disproportionate amount of screen time and worst of all… a miserable, sidelined, dying Jack who should’ve been up, kicking arse for the simple fact that we knew he wasn’t going to die.

Coming off that rant has convinced me that however good or bad LAD might become, it could never plunge to the lowly depths of 6 and 7.

While there was some joy to be had in 8. I really think the show should’ve ended with Season 5, but with the Jack/Heller confrontation in place of the Chinese capture. If the show ended at that point, the 24 guys would have been remembered as gods.

I wholeheartedly agree that Season 6 had flashes of occasional brilliance but was royally botched in the execution of the story, the first eight episodes worked like gangbusters, but once the whole Bauer family psychodrama kicked into high gear in the ninth episode, it all went awry from which it never recovered, having Graem be Jack’s evil sibling (a cliche if ever there were one!) was a catastrophic misstep which led them down the wrong path and both the season in the short-term and series in the long-term suffered accordingly.

It’s worth noting that filming on Season 6 didn’t begin until late August 2006, a full month later than usual, so I’m wondering if there were story problems behind the scenes before a single frame was shot. Kiefer mentioned in an interview with The Guardian (dated July 3, 2006) that the sixth season would see Jack as the hunted and not the hunter, but that storyline never materialised in the eventual season, and I distinctly remember Kiefer further stating in a televised interview with Sky Television prior to the U.K. broadcast of Season 6 that elements of the movie plot had been used for the sixth season, so reading between the lines, it looks (at least from the outside) that there were problems with that season from the outset… a real pity too, it had all the ingredients for one hell of a season, alas…

Season 6 really did have potential. There was a bit of a letdown after having the nuke go off so early in the season, and all the subplots and new characters didn’t help. Still, there were some great moments and good performances. But in many ways, I liked it better than season 7.

I thought season 7 was pretty darn good. That’s the first I’ve heard of 7 being a let down cause most people liked it. Season 6 however missed a lot of stuff.

There’s a huge portion of the fanbase who hated 7 for what they did with Tony – myself not included. Tony was the least of its problems. Like 6, there is alot of individual flashes of greatness here and there, but as a whole it’s a meandering, directionless trainwreck. Considering the huge amount of time the year break gave them to get the story nailed, it just wasn’t good enough.

In fact, let’s do an interesting test. Your challenge (whoever accepts it) is to sum up the story for each day in a sentence, like a quick tv guide snippet.

For example…

Day 1: Federal Agent Jack Bauer must thwart an assassination plot against a presidential candidate, while elements within the agency work against him.

I’m very intrigued to see what you guys come up with for days 4, 6 and 7 in particular.

I loved Season 7 until the final episodes where I felt it nosedived in quality.

– Jack’s sickness never did much for me because we already knew Season 8 was coming and just one episode after being diagnosed they already started mentioning experimental cures. So there just wasn’t much tension there. And Jack Bauer being sidelined into more of a supporting role really killed all of the momentum. This storyline would’ve been better saved for the final season.
– Larry Moss was killed (I know I’m in the minority here, but I really liked that character and Jeffrey Nordling’s performance)
– Olivia Taylor plot wasn’t compelling
– Tony twist was super lame
– Alan Wilson wasn’t as interesting a character/villain as Jonas Hodges was

I still loved the season overall and would rank it #3 or #4, but that final arc was a bit of a mess.

In retrospect, although I’m very fond of Day 7, I absolutely agree with the argument that it was a “meandering, directionless train-wreck”. While I think that it stands as one of the strongest and most cohesive seasons thematically, in terms of plot it’s even worse than Day 4 in the way it moves from threat to threat and bad guy to bad guy. The Tony twist was fine, though. There was a precedent for his actions in the second half of Day 3 and the parallels between him and Jack were quite compelling.

Jack’s illness was also one of the most compelling aspects of that season. Yes, it was clear to us viewers that he wasn’t going to perish, but I don’t think that was the point. It was about forcing Jack himself to confront his mortality in a way he hadn’t done so before and to help him come to terms with everything he’d done in his life.

I may well be in the minority here, but I am convinced that Day 8 (Dana Walsh aside) was brilliant. It was tightly written, meticulously plotted, and masterfully executed. I don’t know if you could call it ‘fresh’ after eight years of exhausting all the narrative possibilities for the show’s formula, but I’m not sure it mattered to me. I won’t get into it here to avoid a huge block of text, but I think Day 8 brought about very subtle though nonetheless significant changes in the paradigm of the show.

To be honest, you could nitpick and selectively criticize parts and pieces of almost any ’24’ season if you were so inclined, I fully believe the writers at all times set out to make the very best overall season that they could, so I personally cut them a lot of slack (although the well-documented problems with Season 6 were entirely avoidable in my opinion, and thus the writers fully deserve the criticism they get for that)… for my part, I tend to look at and judge each respective season as a singular entity, and I believe that is the proper criteria on how each season of ’24’ should be judged.

I don’t even like the whole ‘what season was best’ argument, it’s all relative and based on personal opinion for the most part, the important thing was did each season work in and of itself, and with the notable exception of (most of) Season 6, the answer to that question is yes, and that’s a pretty damn good testament to the quality of writing on ’24’s part, that it came back from a very rocky sixth season with two superb subsequent seasons thereafter, and indeed remained such a superb series through to the end, and which certainly fills me with hope in regards to the upcoming ‘Live Another Day’…

Well even the writers admitted season 6 wasn’t there best creative year. The fact is fans of 24 have each season that they liked or hated no one opinion is right or wrong just mainly personal preference. All tho Jack being infected was put to good use when tony ended up running outta the bio canister. & he was going to use Jack to create more of the pathogen. My argument for tony will be season 5 his suppose death really was a shock factor. To be honest I was with the writers on this one. I didn’t like the way he died. It just was more of you were expecting him to die because henderson injected him with the drug. His revenge for Michelle. I don’t believe was lame it was hinted in season 5 I believe when he was on this revenge path. The writer I gotta give them credit keeping things different & hopefully learning from each season……. I thought season’s 7 started very strong & ended on a personal/slow note. They The muslim who ran the church or whatever wasn’t necessary to include in the ending….. Kinda killed the ending for me then his daughter shows up 10 15 mins later. That scene should’ve just been kim & kim only! Season 8 was okay Some of it felt like Jack was sidelined Except for the last 4 or 8 episodes or whatever. They didn’t recover the nuclear rods I mean they did but Jack wasn’t involved. The big shoot out scene when Jack & Cole were pinned down was alright to watch but it seems like nobody including Jack could hit anything. So I would say despite season 7’s flaws I thought it was good. 8 the same way 6 Didn’t by into the all evil Bauer family storyline that’s what killed it for me. So again hopefully 24’s return will make up for season 8. & chloe being in charge of CTU worst story turn ever! She was absolutely horrible as a directer wasn’t on top of stuff & Jack got under the radar so easily under her. But despite 24’s flaws I still like the series for what it is suspenseful & adrenaline rush plot twist kinda show. Which I believe they got back after season 6 The first half of season 8 was alright but the second half after renae’s death I thought was really good.

Apart from maybe Lennox and Daniels, S6 is barely watchable. CTU was terrible, anything related to Jack (his evil family, Audrey the veggie, or Jesus Christ wannabe Jack persona) is flat out terrible. Every week, I was like “It can get any worse than this” and the writers managed to out-do themselves.

S7 was quite fine. It was my one of my favorite seasons actually, with good character development (especially Renee) and good villains. While there may be too many terrorist plots, they were usually executed well. I don’t have too many problems with evil Tony apart from the writers overdoing it. They totally made the character irredeemable there.

S8 in just one word, rubbish. Not a shred of originality, creativity, hard work, nothing at all. It repeats every tired cliche in the 24-verse, dumbs it into a cheap violence porn to cater to the lowest denominator at the end and worst of all it is written in quite poor taste as well. Totally soured me from the show.

I agree with this Ozgur, was not a fan of season 8. I’d rank the seasons from best to worst:

1, 3, 2, 5, 7, 4, 8, 6.

With season 5 and 7 I felt were the most disorganised seasons changing direction every couple of episodes. They had the potential to be really great, but were dragged down a lot by some terrible parts. The highs were higher but the lows were much lower. And season 1 will always be head and shoulders above all the rest for me.

Season 6 had so many jump the shark moments: The revelation that Graham was Jacks brother made the season DOA. It turned the show into a low-quality superhero movie where the main hero and main villain were best friends growing up. It took away any ‘authenticity’ of the show. Other jumping the shark moments: Jack killing Curtis, Jack’s dad killing his own son, Audrey going crazy, etc. The season was miserable.

Season 7 was pretty good until the Tony twist towards the end that Tony is obsessed with revenge and is willing to kill anyone (good or bad) to get his revenge. That twist ruined Tony’s character completely and made very little sense to me. I had never been more frustrated with ’24’ than when Tony killed the FBI agent. Was it shocking, yes. Was it believable, not at all. Imagine if season 9 reveals that the whole time Chloe was working in CTU, she was actually a Russian spy. Twists like that show me that the ’24’ writers simply just ran out of plausible ideas.

On the contrary, Predictor, I mentioned above that there was precedent for Tony’s actions as far back as Day 3. When Saunders had kidnapped Michelle, Tony put the entire operation – and many lives – at risk to save her. Now, it is true that he did not succumb to revenge in Day 5 when he had the chance to kill Henderson but hesitated. However, it is likely he learned of Michelle’s pregnancy *after* Day 5 from the likes of Michael Emerson and it is entirely plausible that he spent the intervening years between his revival and the start of Day 7 gradually building up resentment and bitterness towards those responsible. Tony has always been depicted as an emotional man capable of being compromised. That is one of the great differences between him and Jack.

Sorry, I meant David Emerson.

There is a big difference in sacraficing an operation to save your wife versus killing dozens of innocent FBI agents for no good reason. The Tony we knew from the first 5 seasons would seek revenge for his wife’s murder but he wouldn’t become a ruthless killer of innocent people. I think what really happend was that the ’24’ writers realized that they killed off the Jon Voight character too early and needed a ‘villain’ for the final few episodes of the season. They made a horrible choice by choosing Tony for that role.

On Day 3, Tony consciously and willfully sabotaged an operation which could have resulted in the deaths of many innocent lives by allowing Stephen Saunders – the mastermind of the Cordilla virus threat – to escape. I fail to see any discernible difference here.

Furthermore, Tony was responsible for saving many lives in Day 7. He said so to Jack in the finale and he was right. He helped apprehend the CIP device, warn Jack of Juma’s assault on the White House, and prevent the launch of numerous missiles full of the Pathogen. Tony was never once interested in unnecessary and gratuitous bloodshed. The *only* lives he deemed expendable were those whose death would grant him direct personal access to Wilson in his collaboration with Cara.

Yes, what Tony did was wrong, but it was completely in line with his established character. On both Day 3 and 7, Tony let his emotions compromise his decisions and jeopardized both national security and human life. He wasn’t a ‘villain’ so much as a man with understandable, though still unacceptable, motivations.

Addendum: This makes Tony a complex and tragic character. His actions serve to highlight a number of key similarities and differences between him and Jack that are thematically compelling. Tony’s character doesn’t suffer except in the eyes of those who, I believe, simply end up projecting their own biases and because he didn’t turn out the way they *wanted* him to.

No offense Predictor but you can’t just assume why or what real reason the writers had for making Tony a villain. As we are all simply fans not psychics. As for tony it wasn’t the worst thing it’s pretty clear Tony wanted revenge for michelle & that wasn’t hard to believe or accept. Because his motives were behind that. Everything he did in day 7 was about michelle.

I dont assume I know what is in the minds of the ’24’ writers. However, the ’24’ writers have said that they usually dont plan out the whole season in advance. They plan out only 4 episodes at a time. So for example, the Nina twist in season 1 wasn’t planned out until the 2nd half of the season. If you watched season 1 again, you’ll see that the Nina twist makes little sense. And i’m ‘guessing’ that the Tony twist wasn’t planned out until the 2nd half of the season as well… We can agree to disagree whether Tony’s actions were true to his character.

Actually, the 24 writers insisted that Tony’s arc was plotted well in advance. This is especially true for Day 7 when they had far more time as a result of the writer’s strike. ‘Agreeing to disagree’ isn’t good enough when you have put forward an argument that has been challenged.

What exactly would you have preferred they do? I’m not entirely sure the alternate is preferable. The idea that Tony should have been “Jack 2.0” and ultimately brush aside and be unaffected by what he suffered on Day 5 is a far greater disservice. 24 spends much of its time focusing on the fallibility of the characters, the consequences of their actions, and the impact that tragedy has on them. Even Jack is not immune as evidenced in the second half of Day 8 when he becomes distinctly ‘Tony-like’ (which is a *wonderful* and sumptuous parallel that goes unnoticed by many ‘fans’).

You’ve also got to account for the transformative effect Michelle’s death would have had on him over the span of several years. As I said, he likely found out about Michelle’s pregnancy *after* she died. Faking his death, dropping off the grid, finding out she had been pregnant, slowly discovering who had been responsible for her death, as well as being subject to David Emerson’s propaganda all would have contributed to the cynical and vengeful disposition Tony demonstrates on Day 7.

I sympathize if you had wanted Tony to turn out good. I had been rooting for him as well up until his betrayal. I desperately wanted to know why he’d aligned himself with the bad guys. Then, in the finale, I saw him standing over Wilson and yelling in despair, “You killed my son! My son! And now, I’m gonna kill you”. I finally understood him. I didn’t agree with him. It isn’t what I wanted. But I understood. Just because it isn’t what you ‘wanted’ does not automatically invalidate the value it ended up having nonetheless.

I’m not sure there’s much else I can say in defense of the writers for what they did to Tony. In spite of all the criticism I’ve heard, I still believe it was an appropriate decision that made complete sense (especially within the thematic framework of Season 7). It did nothing to tarnish my perception of Tony. Indeed, I believe it made him a more interesting character by drawing and capitalizing on interesting ideas first raised on Day 3. He inarguably becomes Jack’s equal without being “Jack 2.0”. This is surely a much better outcome, and I will defend it to the ends of the earth.

<<<<What exactly would you have preferred they do? I’m not entirely sure the alternate is preferable. The idea that Tony should have been “Jack 2.0” and ultimately brush aside and be unaffected by what he suffered on Day 5 is a far greater disservice.

There is an obvious alternative. Not writing a silly resurrection story and keep the character dead. Just because you want to write a story about a revengeful maniac does not mean you should. ess

By the way, it is actually you who trivialises complex human nature by insisting as if the one's struggle with the tragedy must manifest itself by over-the-top revengeful feelings of killing and mayhem. There are millions of people who have lost their loved ones due to unjust and unfortunate circumstances and yet most of them would not act the way Tony did because they would know whatever they did won't bring those dead people back and throwing your own life away would not be what those deceased people would want of you.

You’re right, few people are likely to react the way Tony did in real-life, but 24 isn’t real-life. It’s high-octane drama, the fundamental ingredient for which is conflict.

It’s worth pointing out, despite your aforementioned disdain for Season 8, that Jack goes down a very similar road after Renee is killed. He’s prepared to provoke a war of global proportions in order to facilitate his brand of justice just as Tony killed innocents to do the same. Countless lives would have been caught in the cross-fire.

Both Tony and Jack’s actions – as well as the actions of so many of the show’s characters throughout its history – reflect the very essence of 24. In the first episode of the series, Jack and Nina have a conversation:

“You can look the other way once, and it’s no big deal, except it makes it easier for you to compromise the next time, and pretty soon that’s all your doing; compromising, because that’s the way you think things are done.”

And, then, on Day 7, in Jack’s final conversation with Renee:

“When you cross that line, it always starts off with a small step. Before you know it, you’re running as fast as you can in the wrong direction just to justify why you started in the first place”.

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>>>> You’re right, few people are likely to react the way Tony did in real-life, but 24 isn’t real-life. It’s high-octane drama, the fundamental ingredient for which is conflict.

Then, they should find novel ways of writing dramatic conflict instead of this tired, cliche, predictable and sexist trope of “Let’s kill the love interest of the protagonist so that he can get another reason to kick ass”. It is a very cheap and lazy way of writing pathos to the story. It is like there is an unwritten rule that states a revenge plot must happen in every action franchise and honestly, I am sick of it. It gets even more annoying if I am asked to feel sorry for these psychopath losers who have acted like jerks in their whole life and have not done anything to improve their anger management.

And honestly, if they have to write a revenge plot, try to make sth out of tradition. I would much prefer Jack and Tony get killed rather than Michelle and Renee and I would want to see how they cope up with that. At least, things would not get as predictable as in S7 and S8.

I honestly can’t argue with you on the ‘tired, cliche, predictable, and sexist trope’ argument. That has been one of my biggest issues with the new Star Trek films, but that’s a different topic all together.

Ozgur, interesting you say that because I would comfortably bet my house on Audrey getting killed in order for them to rehash some tired old revenge porn.

Also, for the most part revenge stories suck! Not because they’re not compelling or satisfying… because they could be. They suck because most of the time they bottle it at the last minute, or some “voice of reason” talks them out of it. It’s like a hollywood rule. A loved one gets killed, and the hero goes on a brutal rampage, murdering the henchmen of the man responsible, as well as his butler, his driver, his gardener and his gardeners chiropractor… but when he finally gets to the big man himself, the cause of all his misery, in the moment of truth, someone stops him/talks him out of it, or he lowers his weapon says in a gruff voice “no… killing you won’t bring her back” *cue sirens and a disappointed/pissed off audience*.

24 however was different. Jack’s revenge against Nina and Henderson was sweet, but weirdly the best revenge scene I’ve ever seen committed to film was for something that never actually happened… I of course refer to dock 11a. So what was the above rant for? Because sadly for days 7 and 8 they fell into those cheap, horrible and nasty Hollywood cliches of stepping down at the last minute. Wilson, Suvarov, Logan AND Taylor should all be dead by now.

And Brad, completely on your side regarding Tony. They never ruined his character. Lest we forget we only see these characters for one day out of every 18 months, so how the hell should we know what’s going on inside their heads? Want to know what will REALLY ruin Tony? If they give in to the fans crying out for “redemption” and him taking a bullet for Jack… fucking… please! If anything, the most ruined character now on 24 is Jack who remains unchanged year after year.

I complete agree with just about everything you said, XAM. Especially your point about dock 11a. That was a wonderful sequence. I *pray* the writers restrain themselves from killing off Audrey. I’ve been tolerant of 24’s excessive tragedy for the most part, but that will soon end if Audrey suffers from the same gratuitousness.

“..but when he finally gets to the big man himself, the cause of all his misery, in the moment of truth, someone stops him/talks him out of it.”

Yeah, I was particularly disappointed by Jack’s submission to reason in the final episode of Season 8. The final stretch of episodes had been quite ambitious, but that final hour was so pedestrian by contrast. Jack stood down and Taylor listened to her conscience. Now, I’m not entirely sure Jack should have killed Suvarov exactly. The ramifications would have been massive. I don’t think there’d be any coming back from something like that (which, granted, might have worked *really* well had Season 8 actually definitively ended the series). He should certainly have been the one to finish Logan though.

The Wilson example is an interesting one because Tony didn’t actually step down. He was actually going to go through with it. Even when he was caught and shot in the shoulder, he didn’t succumb and crawled for his gun. He was only incapacitated once he was shot in the hand. I thought it was quite stirring.

On that note, if they bring Tony back only to kiss Jack’s ass I, too, will be *extremely* unhappy.

I can repeat what I said beforehand but you refuse or just simply dont understand the difference between Tony’s action in season 3 versus his actions in season 7. Putting innocent people in potential risk is not the same as actively killing innocent people. We both agree that it was understandable for Tony to cross some lines in the name of revenge. But killing Larry Moss and the dozens of FBI agents went way way beyond that. Maybe my moral views are different than yours. Tony’s actions of season 3 were irresponsible and potentially very dangerous but Tony’s murderous actions of Larry and the FBI agents in season 7 turned him into an unsypathetic twisted killer.

The ‘difference’ you’re attempting to argue is immaterial and ignores the very complex human dimensions at work. Furthermore, you aren’t addressing any of the points I have made. You are simply regurgitating the same argument without making yourself any more convincing. I am not validating or arguing in favor of Tony’s actions He did the wrong thing and should not be absolved of the deaths he orchestrated. All I am saying is that the seeds for Tony’s actions on Day 7 were planted early in the series and that there was never any leap of logic involved. Moral judgments aside, your original argument that it “made very little sense” does not hold up to scrutiny.

The leap of logic is where we disagree. I do think there was a ‘leap of logic’ from Tony of the first 5 seasons to Tony in the end of the 7th season and you dont find that to be the case. I have friends who agree with me and I’m sure many will agree with your points. It’s all cool.

I think that you’re right. Perhaps the difference is seen in season 1 to 3. Tony in S4 had a personality change. He was always the same Tony, but we didn’t know him moving in the emotional areas.

I see here a break in Tony:

And it’s logic that this breakdown could go beyond, and it did in S5 and S7.

I am with you on that. I think the basic premise of him turning to the dark side in order to take down the people responsible for Michelle’s murder was believable, but they just took it too far and didn’t properly explain it. It’s not at all difficult to believe that he would set out to get revenge and even do some questionable things to achieve it, but they took it way too far by having him kill dozens of federal agents (many of whom had spouses and children as well), attempt to detonate a chemical weapon on the DC subway, and have Kim kidnapped and used as leverage. It might have worked if his thought process had been fleshed out better, for example, having him come back in season 8 (or LAD!) and explain that he didn’t set out to kill innocent people but once he did so once he had to keep going or else the first person he killed would have died for nothing. Some sort of explanation of how when he started he never thought he would have to go as far as he did, but he had come so far and done so many questionable things to get there that he couldn’t stop and let it all be for nothing. I really think the difference between what he did and some of the things Jack did even before season 8 are more a matter of degree than of principle, but Tony’s story at the end of season 7 was so rushed and they never properly explained how he got to the point of being willing to do such drastic things.

For what it’s worth, I stand with Brad on this one, his eloquent expositions on the tragic parallels between Tony in Season 7 and Jack in Season 8 is something I noticed on the first watch… and absolutely loved it! Tony was the spine of Season 7, it didn’t matter there were different plots and different villains throughout as Tony was the glue of that particular season and one of the reasons it was such a strong season overall.

I also think Brad is totally correct that Season 8 was largely a brilliant season (the Kevin Wade subplot being a minor wrinkle), I utterly reject the consensus that it was either mediocre or below-par, it started well and slowly but assuredly built up it’s narrative from the ground up, layering each piece as it went, and gathering momentum as the stakes went up, with the episode where Jack attempts to talk Markos out of the hyperbaric chamber one of the best and most genuinely moving episodes that show ever produced, and by the time President Taylor talks to Jack on the phone in those last minutes, you really get the sense of the sheer dramatic weight of the previous 24 hours’ events in a much more vivid way than any other season… plus I think that Samir Mehran was a fantastic and chillingly believable antagonist, the best ’24’ villain next to Charles Logan and Christopher Henderson.

This is all just my own personal, subjective, and fallible opinion of course, but I think the so-called consensus that ’24’ lost it after Season 5 to not concur with reality, no show can be as fresh after seven or eight seasons, but quality speaks for itself, and those last two seasons were bloody good and I’ll defend them to anybody!

Oh, God, yes, that episode with Markos was *fantastic*. There’s a quality to Season 8 I can’t quite sufficiently explain. It’s very deliberate in its plotting and mindful of its themes.

The only back spot against Season 8 I can identify (again, ignoring the Kevin Wade subplot) is Episode 13. Chloe gets CTU back up and running from the EMP far too quickly, and it should have been Cole who got shot in the field rather than Jack because, hey, we all know Jack will survive.

As someone who really dislikes Season 8, thinking it the second worst behind 6, it’s interesting that you cite the Markos hyperbaric-chamber episode as the best – as that one particularly stood out to me as the worst. Apart from the tired “talking someone out of a locked room” premise that was done to death in Season 7, which really kills the momentum of a season, the situation was especially ridiculous and unbelievable even for 24.

The other thing that the episode hammered home for me was how 24 had absolutely ridded itself of dramatic irony, something that made season 1 really gripping. After the audience was informed of something, there was interesting tension as other characters slowly learned it, or didn’t. In this episode I believe there was a group of terrorists hanging off the rafters observing everything that was going on in the hyperbaric chamber and relaying it back to everyone else, so that every character in the series was instantly up to speed with everything that the audience knew.

Although I don’t agree with your assessment of the episode in particular, I do agree that 24 lost its dramatic irony as the years went on. I’m not sure anything will ever eclipse Day 1.

Acer4666 dude, I didn’t say the Markos episode was THE best (either of Season 8 or the series overall), i said it was a superb and moving episode in it’s own right that reflected the strengths of that particular – and sorely underrated – season.

Further, I don’t think it killed momentum at all, but you touch on something I’ve noticed between the Joel Surnow-as-showrunner seasons and the HoGo-as-showrunner seasons; the Surnow ones are almost uniformly relentless in their pacing, whilst the HoGo ones are a little more deliberate and methodical in their pacing, Surnow’s has a faster-bigger-bolder directive, whilst HoGo’s take the time to touch on issues and explore more in-depth character beats… one is not better or worse than the other, but it’s interesting nonetheless to notice the subtly different sensibilities between the two showrunners.

Haha – I’m honestly not being contrary but I disagree again (are we watching the same show? :P). The earlier (Surnow) seasons actually had a much slower pace, and so a “locked room” episode would actually fit in with the season and work. Think of Season 1 episode 9 (one of my favourite 24 episodes of them all), with Jack spending all episode cooped up in a construction cabin – it didn’t stand out as a jarring break in pace because the episodes around it weren’t such a mad dash. Therefore the in-depth character beats felt natural, rather than a clunky “right this week we’re gonna do some emotional stuff before we get back to the gun battles”.

Kiefer and Howard Gordon are actually quoted as saying that episode is something they wish they could get back to, but always just get caught up in making high octane stuff (http://www.24spoilers.com/2014/01/21/kiefer-sutherland-24-live-another-day-big-personal/). It’s as if when they do a slow episode they’re trying to get back to it, but it just doesn’t fit in because the episodes around it have been so mad-paced and fantastical.

This is actually interesting to think about. Each season of 24 got progressively bigger in scale and faster in pace until it could no longer sustain itself in Season 6. Season 7 felt like an over-compensation by the writers who, I think, wanted to return to more intimate storytelling but couldn’t quite escape the high-octane material the series had become so renowned for by that point. I personally think that Season 8 found a much better balance.

That’s an interesting and unique viewpoint, Gerry. I feel that Howard Gordon has mostly failed with character development.

When he took over from Surnow it quickly morphed from an ensemble show into the Jack Bauer show. He killed off Palmer and Michelle before the first commercial break and the bloodbath continued with Edgar, Tony (and originally Aaron Pierce).

This unpredictability made the show exciting to watch in the short term, but it caused the audience to simply not care about any new characters introduced because they probably wouldn’t last long anyway. Each season under HoGo’s reign had an almost entirely new cast and viewers knew not to get attached.

In Season 2 for example we were given reason to care about the supporting cast of Tony, Michelle, and Mason. In the later seasons nobody cared about characters like Nadia, Doyle, Sean, Janis, Arlo, Dana, Cole, etc.

“Each season under HoGo’s reign had an almost entirely new cast and viewers knew not to get attached.”

Well, that’s not entirely true. Season 6 carried over Chloe O’Brien, Wayne Palmer, Bill Buchanan, Morris O’Brien, Karen Hayes, and Milo Pressman from earlier seasons. Season 7 was definitely a reboot of the cast but, likewise, several of them were carried over to Season 8; Renee Walker, Alison Taylor, and Ethan Kanin.

I think part of the problem from Season 5 onward is that the main cast became too inflated. Seasons 1-3 had a very small list of principal cast members which made things more intimate and those characters more developed. Season 7 had 11 compared to Season 3’s 6. When you have 11 of them, there’s this expectation that each of them is going to receive an equal amount of attention and development and it quickly becomes too convoluted and superfluous.

Unfortunately, Live Another Day is continuing this trend, which is my only major gripe so far.

It’s like, I don’t see any reason why characters like Sandra, Henry, Sean, Arlo, or Janis were granted ‘principal cast’ status. Tony was in 23 of 24 episodes in Season 1 but but he wasn’t part of the main cast. Likewise, Chloe and Wayne were in all 24 episodes of Season 3 but were still guest stars. It gave the writers flexibility and breathing room which they no longer have and I think the show suffers a little bit. If Howard and Kiefer really want to get back to what made Season 1 so magnificent then trim the fat starting with the cast.

I forgot to mention this in my previous comment, but I was referring specifically to new characters introduced during Howard Gordon’s time as showrunner (Season 5 onwards).

Only two new characters introduced during the fifth season (Morris and Karen) carried over to the sixth season. Then only one Season 6 character (Ethan Kanin) carried over into the seventh season. And despite the complete cast reboot in the 7th season, only two of those new characters (Renee Walker and Allison Taylor) made it to the eighth season. No characters introduced in Season 8 are returning in 24: Live Another Day.

And even in those above examples they sort of just dumped some of those characters soon afterwards. Karen wasn’t even mentioned in the seventh season despite being married to a main character for example. (Same goes for Morris, but at least he appeared in the DVD epilogue).

Surnow seemed committed to his characters (the vast majority appeared in multiple seasons) while Gordon seems to treat them as disposable.

As a relative late-comer to the joys of ’24’ (mid-way through Season 5), I obviously missed a lot of reportage and news articles concerning the show through the years, but seeing as this site has been folowing the show from the beginning, maybe you could enlighten me as to when exactly HoGo took over as showrunner, and do you know why Joel Surnow handed over the reins to HoGo?

20th Century Fox Television renewed Joel Surnow and Robert Cochran’s contracts for multiple years and part of that deal was developing new series for the studio.

Surnow and Cochran wrote several projects together – one was a show called Thirteen, then a comedy series starring Ray Romano, then another comedy “The Call” and finally “Company Man.”

None of these pilots were picked up to series, but I’m sure it was a nice change of pace for Surnow after the stress of running 24 for several years.

While I agree, 24spoilers:

The new characters from season 5 carried forward (apart from Karen Hayes and Morris O’Brian) also included Martha Logan, Yuri Suvarov, Anya Suvarov, Graem Bauer, CTU agent Marcy Reynolds, interrogation expert Rick Burke, CTU pilot Stan Shavers, FBI agent Jennings, and a FOX reporter played by Bob DeCastro.

The new characters from season 6 that stayed, apart from Ethan Kanin, were Admiral John Smith, DoJ official Peter Hock, and an appearance in Redemption from Tom Lennox and Noah Daniels.

The Season 7 new characters, other than Renee Walker and Allison Taylor, include Tim Woods, press secretary Angela Nelson, Kim’s husband Stephen and daughter Teri, CDC expert Ben Landry and SS agent Dalton.

I think it’s a little early to say for definite that no new S8 characters will be returning in LAD.


Some filming spoilers for tomorrow. A few people tweeted that a major car chase sequence will be filmed tomorrow morning:

Sweet. They’re filming a car chase sequence for 24 behind work.

@mrpics1234 it’s happening tomorrow morning 7-11 harlequin road behind the sky buildings.

The roads around the office are closed on Sunday to film a car chase sequence in the new #24 series, sigh…

So #24 are filming a car chase scene right outside my road this weekend, should prove interesting #LondonLife

A chase in a 4 cylinder, 2.5 ton 1997 Volvo V70 would be truly gripping stuff!