Team 24 has recorded the Latin American promo of 24: Live Another Day and it’s got a huge spoilerific surprise. Click below to watch the promo.
Note: Please keep all discussion regarding this promo in this post ONLY. Not everyone watches the promos (especially foreign ones) so please be courteous to those people and don’t spoil it in other comment threads.
President Heller is alive! Somehow his death was staged and this was all a ruse. Many fans predicted something was off due to the lack of a silent clock and they appear to have been proven correct.
The US promo was cleverly edited to make it look like Jack was telling Kate to get in the car, but this Latin American promo reveals that Jack was truly speaking to Heller. It seems that Belcheck is going to guard The President while Jack goes into the field and takes care of business.
Now we know what Mary Lynn Rajskub was referring to in her interview where she said “outrageous and over-the-top” things happen in the ninth episode. Rajskub emailed Howard Gordon saying “Oh my God, I can’t even believe what is happening right now!” after receiving this script.
It also explains Branko Tomovic’s recent interview where he promised “the best is yet to come” for Belcheck.
And 24 writer David Fury replied to a fan tweet yesterday with this mysterious tease:
“@vaughnramdeen: @TheDavidFury how can you guys 'forget' to include the silent clock for Heller. Makes no sense.” Or does it?
— David Fury (@TheDavidFury) June 18, 2014
“@bitingtea: @rajskub controversy is brewing on the Internet about whether Heller is really dead! thoughts?” Sure looks like it :)
— Mary Lynn Rajskub (@rajskub) June 19, 2014
More proof: 24 cast member Ross McCall tweeted this photo on June 10th during the final days of filming – you can see Devane in their group shot. Three days later he tweeted this photo during his final day of filming and you can see again Devane standing on his left. Director Jon Cassar shared this Instagram photo the same day and smartly left Devane out of it, but when you compare both photos you can tell it’s from the same scene.
What do you think about this twist? Any theories on how they managed to fake Heller’s death? Does it change your opinion of the eighth episode at all?
215 Comments
Comments ClosedJack
June 18, 2014 at 11:04 pmNow this is a pretty major development to the story. Looks like Belcheck will be taking care of Heller for the next hour or so.
A bit of a blunder by FOX may I say… or maybe not? Perhaps they didn’t expect much talk about whether Heller died or not & underestimated how much people would discuss this.
Chlojack
June 18, 2014 at 11:09 pmRich in NJ
June 18, 2014 at 11:19 pmChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 8:29 amChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 9:43 amjordan
June 21, 2014 at 3:08 pmGerry Mander
June 18, 2014 at 11:16 pmDon’t want to sound hyperbolic but…
24 Spoilers
June 18, 2014 at 11:20 pmThis is either going to be a brilliant twist or a jump the shark moment.
Rich in NJ
June 19, 2014 at 11:33 pmBen
June 23, 2014 at 11:47 amYears ago it was said that FOX had one definitive rule on 24 plot points – you cannot assassinate a sitting president, hence when Air Force One crashed in Day Four (?), POTUS was just severely injured, right on the cusp of dying, but did not die directly in the plane crash (he went between seasons 4 and 5).
uncle carol
June 18, 2014 at 11:16 pmMary
June 18, 2014 at 11:17 pmGerry Mander
June 18, 2014 at 11:25 pmIf – and it’s still a big IF – they pull this off, I’ll never doubt them again, regardless of whether there’s another season or not.
Mary
June 18, 2014 at 11:32 pmIf it’s epic and impressive, it’ll be the first true 24 surprise in pretty much forever. If it sucks, it’s be the biggest disappointment they’ve ever created. Gotta give them credit for going big or going home at least.
Gerry Mander
June 19, 2014 at 2:34 amI’m just glad and more than a little relieved the silent clock omission WASN’T a mistake after all :-D…
CigaretteMan
June 19, 2014 at 3:10 amShame though. If they had actually gotten away with keeping this secret and no spoilers were leaked…it would have been the best twist the show has had in a decade.
Like Alan York / Marie Warner quality. I never would have seen it coming.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 11:59 amtheraserb
June 19, 2014 at 6:08 pmJK, don’t take this as is the end of the world, it was a very big possibility because of how open it was and that Chloe could easily loop the feed.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 6:28 pmAgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 7:11 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 8:07 pmzmo7
June 18, 2014 at 11:36 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 12:00 pmsrb
June 20, 2014 at 4:40 amTeam24
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Aquaflute
June 18, 2014 at 11:29 pmuncle carol
June 18, 2014 at 11:33 pmJack is preventing these attacks because he wants to protect Audrey. He promised her that at the end of S6 and mentioned this in either ep 1 or 2 of this season. Jack hates Heller for: A not getting him out of China and B. for not letting Jack take Audrey with him. He broke in and aimed a gun at Heller willing to shoot him dead. Heller was someone Jack had respect for and Heller just gave him the business.
When Jack left he didn’t say anything to Heller. Just a angry look.
Point is I don’t think Jack is being 100% hero. Maybe he’s in on the assassination plot. There has no on screen interaction between Margot and Jack at all. Jack just wants to protect Audrey and not her dad because of what happened in S6.
Not saying it’s “cut and dry” but that sounds like a twist that would cause the actors to freak out once they read the ep 11 script.
JG
June 19, 2014 at 5:21 am24 Spoilers
June 19, 2014 at 11:01 amhttps://www.24spoilers.com/2014/05/17/kim-raver-gasped-24-live-another-day-episode-11/
Derek
June 19, 2014 at 11:51 amMary
June 19, 2014 at 12:08 pmNow, we’re back to where we were a couple of weeks ago with is Jack up to something else, is he trying to get his hands on the drone technology for another endgame. Buying his freedom from the Russians? Luring out the Chinese so he can get revenge on Cheng? Something to do with his family in trouble? All of the above?
I’m on board with Heller being alive if it reveals that Jack has another agenda because I kind of think the entire day doesn’t make sense if he isn’t at least a litttttttle bad right now. :) I think it’d be really impressive if the show finally went there, so here’s hopin’.
AgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 1:44 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 1:49 pmJackBauerFan1977
June 18, 2014 at 11:39 pmJAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 8:50 amAs for Margot, we all know in a battle of Jack vs. terrorist, Jack’s gonna win. And I have no doubt when the showdown finally happens, Michelle Fairley will play it brilliantly and hopefully be given an epic on-screen death (Red Wedding, anyone?). But if this is 24’s last bow, I thought they’d finally give us an adversary who pulls off the unthinkable. We’ve already seen how Margot reacted to Navid’s attempted double-cross and Simone’s disobedience. Looks like London’s been put in even greater danger now.
Chlojack
June 19, 2014 at 9:49 amJAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 11:12 amI remember in an interview, Michelle Fairley said that Margot takes people at their word and implied that it could lead to her undoing. So, in retrospect, it’s interesting that Margot swore on the soul of her dead husband, but she didn’t demand that Heller swear on something he holds sacred.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 12:18 pmThe Rask and Margot transactions purposefully don’t add up– someone tweeted David Fury about them after the Rask episode and he said that Margot and Rask have not had contact in over a year and when they did, it wasn’t about the drones. So, Fury seems to be telling us that Jack faked those transactions and a current connection between Margot and Rask. Which ties into suspicions that Jack has his own agenda here and is playing quite a few people to get closer to his own endgame. Which makes the whole day more fun and make more sense, IMO, when you consider how much of an enormous stretch a lot of this is so far. Margot’s device designer just happened to work with the only person Jack can trust to help him stop the threat? The flight key magically has the override code on it only after Jack gets his hands on it at the Embassy? Jack “intercepted intelligence” on this threat exactly, uh, *how* again? And this day just so happens to involve the Chinese and possibly the Russians if they start connecting this stuff together right when Jack tells Morgan he’s been Batman-ing around cleaning up corruption and then gets revenge on Rask in the process of today? Hmmm… sounds like someone reread the Almeida playbook lately. :)
JAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 1:22 pmI’ve been suspicious from the start how Jack intercepted data about this threat. And how everyone just happens to be in London. I really thought I’d had some sort of brain glitch re: the Rask-Margot connection. I figured if Rask was associated with any of the Al-Harazi’s that it would be Simone, based on her Interpol file mentioning her involvement in bombings in Germany. Interesting how there was no Interpol file on Ian, and I’m suspecting we’ll be finding out a lot more about him and his motivations in the next episode.
AgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 1:53 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 8:15 pmNo one either has mentioned how Chloe got out of prison in the first place. I feel like that might play a part going forward.
AgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 9:49 pmAgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 1:51 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 8:19 pmI agree that Heller’s death should have been his own call. Jack, whatever you’re on, it’s time to go back to rehab. (Unless you’re doing something to help characters I like even more than Heller, then carry on lol.)
New West Virginian
June 21, 2014 at 6:21 pmRob
June 18, 2014 at 11:44 pm24fan24
June 18, 2014 at 11:48 pmJAlexHogan
June 18, 2014 at 11:53 pmNot that I was hoping for Heller’s death, but this twist is feeling like a jump the shark moment right now. Between Heller’s Alzheimer’s and his (seeming) determination to sacrifice himself to spare more lives, his resignation letter and putting everything in place for the transition of power, granting Jack a presidential pardon, & a tender goodbye to his daughter, and what had seemed to be a ballsy move by the 24 team for the 200th episode, I’m completely confused. It’s mind-boggling a) how they pulled off faking Heller’s death & b) why all the buildup if he was never going to go through with it?
Yeah, the United States does not negotiate with terrorists, yada yada yada. Heller earlier voiced concern about Margot having the moral high ground, and if the “so-called terrorist” seems willing to keep her word, I feel like this twist detracts from Heller’s heroism if he agreed to her terms in bad faith. So, did Jack pull Heller out of Wembley against the president’s will? Or was Heller never really going to give himself up in the first place?
JG
June 19, 2014 at 5:17 amJAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 8:39 amAlso, why put Audrey on the emotional rollercoaster of thinking she’d lost her father without getting a chance to say goodbye only to bring him back so she can watch him deteriorate from Alzheimer’s?
Will try to reserve judgment til we see next week’s episode.
Phee
June 19, 2014 at 9:18 amIf it means saving the President, who also happens to be Audrey’s father, then yep, I can see Jack dragging him if necessary. I’ve got this image of Jack tearing onto the field, screaming at Heller to get outta there NOW, and Heller’s completely confused and refusing to move, and Jack ends up dragging him out of targeting range and throwing him on the ground with one second to spare. Then Jack gets yelled at.
JAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 11:19 amMary
June 19, 2014 at 12:20 pmJAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 1:02 pmDo we have a presidential succession crisis on our hands?
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 1:12 pmPhee
June 20, 2014 at 4:26 amDoubt it can be classified as assault if it’s done in the process of saving his life. Surely Secret Service are allowed to lay their hands on the President to force him out of the way of an imminent physical threat if necessary? Jack could be accused of defying a direct Presidential order if he dragged Heller away, but not assault.
Mary
June 20, 2014 at 10:35 amRob
June 19, 2014 at 12:13 am:(
24 Spoilers
June 19, 2014 at 12:39 amAnd he’s already resigned as President so I’m not sure what’s going to happen there.
Amilcar
June 21, 2014 at 5:46 pmThe 24 team told in an interview that this was the only intervention ever made to the creative process. As you can see, even if they wanted to, they wouldn’t be allowed to kill Heller.
Justin
June 19, 2014 at 12:25 amJustin
June 19, 2014 at 12:26 amJustin
June 19, 2014 at 12:26 amDamnItTony
June 19, 2014 at 1:31 amIf the writers didn’t want Heller out of the game they could have placed his death in ep11 or 12 with a proper memorial AND a silent clock, instead of FAKING his death.
Plus, is it possible that they shot multiple plots just like they did with the ending of Season 1?
Phee
June 19, 2014 at 9:03 amWith Heller surviving this, they have the opportunity for another scene between him and Audrey where she’s pissed and he explains where he was coming from and she ends up more understanding. Also, now that his resignation is in effect starting at the top of the next hour, he’s definitely no longer President. So they could kill him for real a few hours down the line and this time there’s proper closure with Audrey and they’re not killing the current President. Give him a big action scene moment where he tries to take someone down and ends up dying himself in the process. Send him out in a truly heroic blaze of glory, (as opposed to standing still waiting to be targeted), this time with the silent clock.
DamnItTony
June 19, 2014 at 9:55 amBut still, Heller has to die in the end to work this out.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 12:23 pmsrb
June 20, 2014 at 5:22 amSharanRJ
June 19, 2014 at 1:32 amMary
June 19, 2014 at 1:15 pmBrad
June 19, 2014 at 1:35 amX
June 19, 2014 at 1:46 amOzgur
June 19, 2014 at 2:18 amThis is how you go from an A episode to an F in mere minutes.
Catherine
June 19, 2014 at 2:20 amM
June 19, 2014 at 2:25 amGary Tan
June 19, 2014 at 2:56 amIn the promo, Ian said someone had hacked into their feed and can see whatever they can. Chloe must have implanted something in their system, so that the Heller they saw in the screen was actually the image a few dozens of seconds ago.
Note that in the last two minutes in episode 8, we only see Heller from Margot’s side. We don’t know what exactly is happening in Wembley Stadium on site.
24 Spoilers
June 19, 2014 at 4:07 amThe first half of that we saw Heller physically in Wembley Stadium. It took 45 seconds for him to reach the middle of the field and then there was 20 seconds of him standing there (taking off his glasses and hat etc). After that it cuts to Ian/Margot for the next half. There was only 1 minute and 9 seconds from the last time we see Heller physically standing in the field until the drone fired on him.
Can anyone actually come up with a plausible scenario that works with this extremely short time frame?
Ozgur
June 19, 2014 at 4:32 amThe real question is as a viewer, are you willing to suspend for disbelief for this fake-out or not?
DamnItTony
June 19, 2014 at 4:59 amSo even if she did get into the system, Jack needed to explain the Heller situation to her(which would shock her and probably slow her down), she had to find image/video that match the scene and place it into Ian’s system. And all these happened in less than 2 minutes?
Anyway, if fans can work out a theory that is actually what happened, this is not 24. The writers will make sure that none of us came up with the correct theory, else they wouldn’t have created this plot in the first place.
Gary Tan
June 19, 2014 at 5:51 am40:15 James leaves Jack and starts walking towards the center of the pitch
41:32 James has taken off his glasses and looks up
41:42 Drones arrives at Wembley
41:50 Ian and Margot have their first visual of James
41:58 Margot says “move in closer”, and a cut scene on the monitor
42:10 Facial recognition is acquired
42:42 Missile is fired and destruction shows on screen
We can assume during 40:15 – 41:25, Chole has taken control of the drone. Or at the very least, she can control the video stream Margot sees on screen.
IMHO, during the time when they do facial recognition and Margot asks for execution, Chloe has enough time to take a video clip, and asks Jack to evacuate James. It is natural in 24 that every second counts, so we must assume they can do more than what we can imagine in any short time frame.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 12:33 pmLet’s say Ian is working with Jack. Neither Jack nor Ian ever anticipated Heller surrendering himself to Margot, let alone Margot keeping her word about the deal that the two of them had worked out. Heller was never supposed to be in this much jeopardy and Jack legitimately does not want to see him die, especially in this way. Jack thinks that Margot won’t keep her word– he believes that she will attack again anyway so he buys time to get to her by calling Ian after Heller walks onto the pitch and telling him to fake confirmation of Heller still on the pitch a minute or so after Heller actually was. Ian uses the facial recognition software in the drone program to confirm to Margot that Heller is really there because he *was* there, a minute earlier. In that extra minute, Jack forces Heller off the pitch before Margot actually fires.
This could also account for why Ian looks a little nervous when Margot insists that she fire the drone and how much he’s trying to cover for it and delay a little bit. Saying it’s a trick, etc. Ian telling Margot that someone hacked into their systems is so that he’s covered from suspicion if Margot finds out after the fact that Heller is still alive.
AgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 2:00 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 2:46 pmIf you want to get fun with names and symbolism as well, there’s also that Ian = John and Jack is a nickname derived from John, so the show’s already linked these two together in that kind of way. It wouldn’t be the first time they’ve done fun stuff like that, either. It also creates a *really* interesting twist to two paralleling stories they’ve already been playing with today: the Heller family versus the Al-Harazi family. Margot and Heller parallel one another– two characters with opposite end games from opposite sides of pretty much every debate except they’re not all that dissimilar people. They’re both probably the most honorable characters on the show and they even have similar backstories. (Had kid(s) with first spouse who died; married someone else who was therefore stepparent to kid(s) and who raised them more than biological dead first spouse; second spouse’s death traumatized them both; married daughter w/issues, etc..) In essence, the two stories have already been paralleling themselves all day. Naveed and Mark are the rebellious son-in-laws taking things into their own hands to protect the woman they married at the potential expense of their mother-in-law/father-in-law. They contrast because Naveed didn’t believe in Margot but Mark adores Heller but it’s the same basic story. In that parallel? Jack is *already* the Ian. The one who seems the most steadfast and loyal but maybe, just maybe, that’s a whole lot of smoke and mirrors..
I had a theory that would support this that I threw out the window an episode or two ago because I didn’t think the show would go there but Heller not being dead kind of makes me think they will so here goes the short version…
Jack’s spent the last year or so of his working for Rask doing exactly what he told Morgan a few hours ago that he’s been doing– using his position to take out evil organizations and expose corruption without a government affiliation. He doesn’t think he’s ever going to have an opportunity to have his say about what happened on Day 8 and he wants to take responsibility for murdering the Russian diplomats but he can’t, in good conscience, turn himself in until he can right the various injustices of his life. He knows that if he hands himself over to the Russians, they’ll likely kill him and if he dies without fixing all the messes he’s made in his life, he’ll be dying for nothing. So, he takes out a human trafficking ring (like the one that hurt Inessa from Day 5, a major mistake Jack made in the past by not prioritizing that girl). He takes out an international drug cartel (that I would bet was run by Ramon Salazar’s kids.) Even if these things don’t specifically tie to Jack’s past in a directly connected way, they are atonements for mistakes he’s made– examples of things he’s left unfinished. So what else would Jack have to do before he could turn himself over to the Russians? He’d have to make it right with Tony (and we’ve had so many hints that he’s about to pop up here that they might as well just tell us), he’d have to avenge what happened to both himself and Audrey by taking out Cheng Zhi, he’d have to know that his family and Chloe were safe and not in danger, he’d have to pay Heller back for the pain he’d caused him over what happened to Audrey which wasn’t exactly Jack’s fault but is something he feels guilty over, and he’d have to make it right with the Russians. He’d have to do something to (ironically) save the Russians to atone for having killed Novakovich and the rest at the same time as he has to expose what really happened on Day 8 so that the Russians would be held accountable and justice would exist for the deaths of Renee and Hassan.
So my theory is that Jack piggy-backed onto a situation (Margot’s plan) that he could then exploit in such a way as it creates a further situation to meet his own personal end game. (Much in the way that Tony jumped onto the stop Starkwood plan that helped him also get to Wilson.) Stopping the drones gets Jack’s honor back with Heller and makes things right between them while also saving Heller and Audrey’s lives, in atonement for everything that went on with Audrey being kidnapped. (It also saves the life of Mark Boudreau, which is Jack’s atonement to Audrey for having been the one to make the decision that killed Paul Raines.) The drones have ties to the Chinese who are going to blame the Russians for the attacks to cover up their own involvement. Jack exposes the connection between Margot and Cheng Zhi and gets revenge on the man who tortured him and justice for Audrey. I think Tony’s been in a Russian prison cell for the last four and a half years in Jack’s place. Pardoned after Day 7, helped Jack get out of the country after Day 8, is how Chloe got a reduced prison sentence because he took the hit for her as a kind of karmic atonement for his own family, and then he got renditioned on over to the Russians in lieu of Jack in order to prevent an international incident following Day 8. Only Jack didn’t know until fairly recently and now part of his plan is to trade something to the Russians (drone technology? proof of the Chinese going to frame them? himself?) in exchange for Tony’s freedom. That’s the big damn Tony surprise– that Jack’s just done the Tony plan *for* Tony, while avenging Audrey, taking out the big bads of their lives, and getting his honor back. His plan’s a one-stop shop back to awesome.
AgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 3:11 pmI’ve actually had this theory for years that Audrey knew Tony was alive when nobody else did (between seasons 5 and 6), because he was either helping her look for Jack or was pretending to do so to serve his own ends. Chloe told Jack in season 6 that Audrey had been going through “back channels” trying to get Jack out of China – Tony would have been the perfect “back channel,” especially since everyone thought he was dead. That would also explain why Tony seemed to know about Audrey’s condition in season 7 when it appears that it wasn’t public knowledge – maybe he was keeping tabs on her because she knew he was alive and was afraid she could compromise him.
I don’t know if any of that could be plausibly worked into Live Another Day with only 4 hours left, but it has given me material for 2 fanfictions!
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 9:39 pmOn the contrary, I think there is now *so much* damn plot happening on the show right now that some of it has to all cross together into one big plot just because they only have four hours left. The Chinese and the Russians tying together (which is also Day 6-ish) and being related to the Margot plot is kind of the only way I can think of for them to start to knot all of it together. And if Jack was involved in kind of helping it all along? Then the loose ends suddenly make more sense.
hank
July 6, 2014 at 11:25 pmLiam
June 19, 2014 at 9:40 pmLiam
June 19, 2014 at 9:31 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 9:40 pmCitygirl
June 22, 2014 at 3:15 pmAgentRez
June 22, 2014 at 3:58 pmRobert
June 19, 2014 at 3:00 pm(1) Chloe (a) knows that the CIA guys are going to Margot’s place to look for the computer-drone disk, and (b) knows from Jack that Heller is going to the field to be missiled to death by Margot.
(2) While they are looking for that disc, Chloe has TIME to prepare her fake video of Heller to LATER upload into Margot’s drone-computer to fool Margot.
(3) The CIA guys find Simone’s husband’s disc and they then upload it to Chloe.
(4) Chloe finally unravels the workings of the disc, enters Margot’s drone computer, and inserts the phony images of Heller.
(5) Heller actually thought he was going to his death, but Jack drags him away.
(6) Kaboom!
theraserb
June 19, 2014 at 7:10 pmsrb
June 20, 2014 at 5:36 amI am sorry but the answer is no in my case partly because as the time is so limited 1 minute for Chloe to hack the feed, loop enough video (if she just delays the video for 10 seconds that would mean it is either stopped for 10 seconds or just instantly goes back 10 seconds both of which would be noticed by Margot/Ian). Even Usain Bolt could not have got from Where Jack was to the centre of the pitch picked up A struggling Heller and carried/dragged him to safety in the time needed. Plus you factor in Jack probably asking Heller to come with him Heller saying no, arguing and then Jack nocking him out so he can carry him.
TomW
June 19, 2014 at 3:09 amCigaretteMan
June 19, 2014 at 3:11 amLike Alan York / Marie Warner quality. I never would have seen it coming.
24Tom
June 19, 2014 at 4:11 amI think that Chloe hacked the drone and as soon as they received the facial recognition that it was Heller she looped the footage of him standing on the pitch, zipping up his jacket, putting his hands in his pockets and looking up to the sky.
That would give Jack enough time to run in and get him out of there while Margot is taking control of the drone from her son.
We only ever the explosion after the missile hits the pitch, we never saw Heller himself get hit if you watch closely.
It’s not the most absurd 24 twist and it’s the only explanation that I’d buy. Anything else would be jumping the shark.
Clayton
June 19, 2014 at 4:23 amI still think it might have been more interesting to actually deal with the fallout of an assassinated president, but I think this direction could be good too. As much as I was harping on the people who used the “no silent clock” thing as evidence… they started to convince me by the end. I don’t know if I’m glad they were right or not… time will tell.
I’m also not glad that I read this spoiler, but let’s face it… I never would have passed it by. :P
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 12:40 pmI still think we might see Heller die by day’s end because, yeah, the day all builds on itself to go somewhere and there’s actually an interesting kind of poetry in Heller believing he’s going to die and wanting to die in this way and this being it for him but then Jack essentially robs him of that. Ultimately, that’s actually more compelling already, before we even know the details of what’s going on, than Heller actually dying at the end of the last episode.
srb
June 20, 2014 at 5:41 amAnd now all that was wasted as he has not said goodbye to the franchise. Taken a really great hour and now we find that 55 mins of it was a waste.
The other point is if we do see Heller die before the end why no other end would be as good as this one was. So more compelling, I really disagree.
24JUNKIE
June 19, 2014 at 4:45 am24marathonman
June 19, 2014 at 8:05 amChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 8:25 amBattlestar Galactica’s opening miniseries had a scene where it looked like the President, Apollo and others had died in a nuclear explosion aboard their ship. Then it turned out Apollo had pulled some kind of maneuver to make it look like they had been hit, but they were fine. Chloe hacking the system would be similar to that.
Jack
June 19, 2014 at 8:59 amChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 9:04 amjordan
June 21, 2014 at 3:05 pmLins
June 19, 2014 at 9:11 amRobert
June 19, 2014 at 9:34 amhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598754/board/nest/231118535?d=231135417#231135417
Robert
June 19, 2014 at 9:48 amChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 10:03 am24 Spoilers
June 19, 2014 at 11:38 amBelcheck would’ve had to be there already as well, and I can’t think of any good reason for that. Jack already had everything necessary (helicopter, gate code and numbers for Wembley Stadium) so there wasn’t any need for him to call on Belcheck for assistance.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 12:44 pmChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 1:52 pmAgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 2:03 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 10:32 pmI sort of feel bad for Belcheck. Being Jack’s boyfriend is the *worst*. All it is dealing with people from his past and getting arrested by MI:5 and chauffeuring around suicidal ex-presidents. And what does he get? Nothing more than an “I’ll call you.” Belcheck, baby, move on! You deserve more, all murder tattoos aside!
LAD Fan
June 19, 2014 at 9:37 amDerek
June 19, 2014 at 11:42 amMary
June 19, 2014 at 12:45 pmLAD Fan
June 19, 2014 at 9:50 amnow i believe that president heller being alive will be kept secret. i think mark will be arguing that the president heller indeed sign the order for jack to be handed over to russians. in the final episode, when jack about to be transferred to russians, the heller will appeared and mark will be caught read handed.
Robert
June 19, 2014 at 10:14 amOne quibble I have with the show is that the Russian guy had no way of assuming that the President did not sign the order of transfer. Mark should not have caved in the way he did. He could have said that the president changed his mind or that the order had been signed and then torn up.
Robert
June 19, 2014 at 10:15 amMary
June 19, 2014 at 12:46 pmNew West Virginian
June 19, 2014 at 11:43 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 12:47 pmJason
June 19, 2014 at 9:56 amTiny
June 19, 2014 at 10:44 amFanta
June 19, 2014 at 11:40 amI guess they have a plan :)
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 12:49 pmChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 1:53 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 2:03 pmChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 3:08 pmsrb
June 20, 2014 at 5:45 amRonnieTheC
June 19, 2014 at 11:58 amMary
June 19, 2014 at 12:50 pmRonnieTheC
June 19, 2014 at 1:14 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 1:55 pmChlojack
June 19, 2014 at 3:45 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 8:44 pmHey, AgentRez, maybe this was what they were going for with Mark holding Audrey’s hand until she woke up from that coma. A parallel plot to a revival of sleeping Debbie. Margot *was* seen making tea… There clearly has to be something more to that.
Derek
June 19, 2014 at 12:00 pmI’m far more interested to learn how they will explain or show Jack saving Heller. With real time storytelling it seems tough to do a flashback or too much exposition. And what about the time jumps? This could turn out to be the best twist they’ve ever had.
All of you knuckleheads who thinks this ruins the show cause it isn’t “plausible” need to take a minute and remember what you are watching. It’s a show where a man saves the world on 9 different occasions all in 24 hours…
Sure I don’t want to be treated like an idiot by the writers, but we all agree that it isn’t a show that is trying to be super realistic. We’re trying to have fun and be thrilled. We make an agreement with our mind that we will suspend disbelief to a point. As long as the writers don’t go past that point, let’s just have fun.
DK Fynn
June 19, 2014 at 12:39 pmI hope they capture Margot and that she sees Heller alive. Can you imagine how much of a payback that’ll be?
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 12:52 pmJack, you got some ‘xplainin’ to do…
JAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 1:36 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 1:57 pmYeah. That’s why, dammit, this twist becomes the best thing ever (right after we’re all done throwing stuff at the wall in annoyance lol).
JAlexHogan
June 19, 2014 at 2:26 pmWhatever Margot does, I’ll be glued to my screen (that’s not just my love for Michelle Fairley talking). Based on what the producers said in this interview (http://www.tvfanatic.com/2014/05/24-producers-tease-brutal-villain-to-come-living-yet-another-day/), and assuming they’re talking about Margot, I’ve been waiting with baited breath for the gloves to come off. I always felt Margot would have some aces up her sleeve no matter what happened. The woman’s got the intelligence, financial resources, and revenge-fueled ambition to be a formidable foe.
24fan24
June 19, 2014 at 9:25 pmIf things turn out to get better, that’s great. If they don’t, well…
I still liked what Episode 8 set up with Heller’s death, but if there’s some amazing, unbelievable twists ahead then I will try to latch on and enjoy the final four episodes.
24Phandroid
June 19, 2014 at 2:45 pmJAlexHogan
June 20, 2014 at 9:14 amReally makes me wonder how Judy Davis would have played the role. What I like about Margot is that her revenge plot has been specific, not some vague anti-American manifesto. And maybe I tend to overanalyze characters, but I like how restrained and subtle she is. So when she does unleash, it’ll definitely have an impact. I’m with you on hoping we find out more about her before her demise, not to make her more sympathetic per se but b/c what little we know of her backstory is already fascinating.
Is it Monday yet?
RonnieTheC
June 19, 2014 at 1:55 pmIs Walt Cummings really dead? Have we seen the last of Charles Logan? Where is Brian Hastings these days? And why was there not a silent clock for the 2 dudes that were blackmailing Dana Walsh? Hopefully, Mary can enlighten me.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 1:58 pmXAM
June 19, 2014 at 2:05 pmRonnieTheC
June 19, 2014 at 2:47 pmRobert
June 19, 2014 at 3:03 pmMaybe they did it this way, though I’m not into computers and CGI:
(1) Chloe (a) knows that the CIA guys are going to Margot’s place to look for the computer-drone disk, and (b) knows from Jack that Heller is going to the field to be missiled to death by Margot.
(2) While they are looking for that disc, Chloe has TIME to prepare her fake video of Heller to LATER upload into Margot’s drone-computer to fool Margot.
(3) The CIA guys find Simone’s husband’s disc and they then upload it to Chloe.
(4) Chloe finally unravels the workings of the disc, enters Margot’s drone computer, and inserts the phony images of Heller.
(5) Heller actually thought he was going to his death, but Jack drags him away.
(6) Kaboom!
uncle carol
June 19, 2014 at 3:08 pmThe comic book that tells what Jack was up to between S8 and S9 is very dark. He was living with a woman that spoke russian I think. This isn’t the same Jack that we grew to love.
The signal was when Heller told Jack about the pardon. Jack didn’t seem to care. Heller also said the pardon was for any criminal activities that took place that day.
Jack told Chloe that he didn’t want to go back home. He told Fembauer that he wouldn’t make it through the day alive. Jack has communication devices implanted in his body.
There is something going on that we aren’t aware of or just turned a blind eye to. Case in point. In that preview Belcheck is there with Jack. Perhaps he’s using the fake assassination to really kidnap Heller for his own agenda.
AgentRez
June 19, 2014 at 3:29 pmYou could be right about the rest of it though. It did seem odd to me that the producers were hyping up this “darker” Jack so much before the show began, but other than calling Simone a b*tch, he really doesn’t seem any darker or less righteous than he was before.
Mary
June 19, 2014 at 8:39 pma5950933
June 19, 2014 at 3:23 pmMj
June 19, 2014 at 3:52 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 6:30 pmMarlon
June 19, 2014 at 5:13 pmMake believe TV at it’s best ! Nothing’s believable on TV guys.
Remember when they brought Tony back from the dead.
So c’mon, just roll with it and have fun watching the last few episodes without getting your panties in a twist.
itsbighead
June 19, 2014 at 6:12 pmAquaflute
June 19, 2014 at 6:15 pmBut after reading a few comments, I think indeed there is a potential “even better story” than the version where Heller is dead. Whatever that better story is, it involves some hidden agenda from Jack and indicates he planned some bigger game that could lead to a blast in the conclusion of this series (Really enjoyed Mary’s theory here). I’m not sure what Jack is planning, but the perspective of him planning something beyond current events is very exciting.
Ultimately I think this could be a case where the writers either fail miserably or simply outdone themselves and delivers a product beyond perfection. “Heller dead” is the safer way to play out the story, “Heller alive” is much harder to handle, but if handled well, then we are in for a real treat. I’m now more excited about this show than ever!
V
June 19, 2014 at 6:57 pmMarlon
June 19, 2014 at 8:14 pmJackBauerFan1977
June 19, 2014 at 7:19 pm24fan24
June 19, 2014 at 8:00 pmJames
June 19, 2014 at 9:57 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 10:22 pmBCLMA'AM
June 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm24marathonman
June 19, 2014 at 11:09 pmuncle carol
June 19, 2014 at 10:25 pmAgentRez
June 22, 2014 at 4:02 pmI think what Heller meant was that the pardon would cover the things Jack had already done that day – breaking Chloe out of Special Activities, assaulting CIA agents, shooting into the crowd of protestors at the embassy, taking hostages, uploading data to Open Cell, vehicle thefts, assaulting a Secret Service agent, etc.
RonnieTheC
June 19, 2014 at 11:15 pmMary
June 19, 2014 at 11:42 pmCitygirl
June 22, 2014 at 3:33 pmNew West Virginian
June 19, 2014 at 11:50 pmAgentRez
June 22, 2014 at 4:03 pmPaul
June 20, 2014 at 12:57 amLT
June 20, 2014 at 12:57 amChloe must have broken through the firewall. Margo and son were being fed a video replay when they launched the missile. If you go to the 42:15, 16 and 42:38, 39 marks and watch them in slow motion, you can see, albeit faintly, Heller zipping up his jacket (again) and putting his hands in his pockets (again), which is what he had done when he first walked out onto the field. Margo was fed a replay while Jack grabbed Heller.
Phee
June 20, 2014 at 2:56 amWe have the original glasses in pocket, zip up, hands in pockets. At this point Margot and Ian aren’t even over the top of the stadium yet.
When they DO get their first visual on Heller, it’s hard to see because the graphics of the targeting program are over the top, but there are two little white dots which are Heller’s hands, making the same glasses in pocket and zip up movements. When Margot says to zoom in closer, we even see the end of his hands going into his pockets more clearly.
Then there’s a far shot from behind Margot when she’s about to take over the joystick, so it’s not a closeup of the screen, but you can see it in the background, and there are his hands making the glasses in pocket and zip up movements again.
Then there’s a split screen with Margot closeup on one side, Heller with his hands in pockets on the other.
Then there’s that shot from behind Margot again, as things are starting to flash red on the screen as it locks on the target…and there are Heller’s hands moving AGAIN.
All told, we actually saw him zip up that jacket FOUR times. And because the original zip was even before the drone had a visual of him, that must be Wembley security camera footage that Chloe snagged and looped in, (I guess they have cameras in the rafters of that place to keep an eye on the field?) Which means there was even more time for Jack to get Heller out of the way. The visual evidence of it being a scam was there all along, but much like Margot and Ian, we were too tense to notice.
Gerry Mander
June 20, 2014 at 4:06 amI’ll hang my hat on that being what the ’24’ writers have come up with…
Ozgur
June 20, 2014 at 4:29 amLOL at people claiming Chloe faking the drone feed would be such a brilliant solution to the problem of saving Heller. If anything it is the problem itself. This is not your typical HD camcorder, we are talking about military grade night vision cameras on a moving drone where you have to adjust for panning, zooming and angles. How does Chloe adjust the footage from Wembley cameras to sth that would look believable from a drone in just 20 seconds? And what is the brilliant excuse for the missile camera that continuously zooms into Heller before the hit? Did Chloe fake not one but two cameras all in one minute?
It is some stupid deus ex machina to get a cheap twist for the sake of having a twist. I am not surprised that the writers have come up with that with their six grade tech logic, however.
Gerry Mander
June 20, 2014 at 4:45 amWhatever.
Ozgur
June 20, 2014 at 5:06 amAny objective analysis would tell you the same thing.
This is a deus ex machina.
But yeah, whatever.
Mary
June 20, 2014 at 11:02 amOzgur
June 20, 2014 at 11:11 amC: I isolated the drone module and managed to resolve the data pack into three streams. The one that actually controls the drone is impenetrable so far.
J: What about the other two?
C: They seem more vulnerable but I still can’t tell what their function is. I need more time.
and then let Chloe sort things out within seconds. Honestly, some people are so casual about Chloe hacking into a drone feed. Just putting a loopy video doesn’t solve anything. It creates an even bigger problem regarding how that video got there so fast and correctly when Chloe did not even look close in the first place.
Mary
June 20, 2014 at 12:32 pmFor all we know? It was *Belcheck* who did this. He’s been shown to have some technical skills and he’s apparently in the parking lot when all this happens. If it was someone like Belcheck, then we’re not talking a minute to make this work– we’re talking from the moment that Jack knew for sure that Heller was getting himself to Wembley come hell or high water. If someone had been working on it for a half-hour, then I would think that would be more reasonable if then all they had to do in that final moment was insert footage of Heller on the pitch and loop it.
To just assume that it was Chloe who did it when Chloe was telling Jack that she needed more time and, as you say, the math is really wonky to think that she faked all this. She could have. They could still make that work if she was coming up with some backup plan all this time. But we still don’t know. So maybe it’s a little early to assume that it’s a deus ex machina.
Gerry Mander
June 20, 2014 at 10:48 pmIf they blow the explanation for Heller’s survival, I’ll be the first to admit it, but I’m betting/hoping they won’t, it might be a stretch, completely OTT, and be utterly implausable in reality, but this isn’t reality, it’s what ’24’ does best, and if you stil haven’t realized that, you’re watching the wrong show.
Mary
June 20, 2014 at 10:46 amsrb
June 20, 2014 at 6:21 amHe finally does something good he is prepared to give up his own life to save the lives of possibly thousands of people, thus guaranteeing the support of Britain to get the base he wants, and they screw that up and now if word gets out that the US faked his death this basically guarantees more strikes against London, including possibly hundred of deaths, along with little hope of getting the support from Parliament.
Finally he is now confined to be hiding out or running away with the simple fact that he is not President. (Unless Jack calls Mark tells him to shred the resignation, and tell everyone that the President is just unavailable).
One quick thought, it would be funny if Margot posts the explosion on the internet and loads of people comment that it is clearly fake as they spot that the footage is looped.
I wanted this to be different for 24 and with this it just seems to same old story.
drone
June 20, 2014 at 7:12 am2) Heller told Jack that he has a presidential pardon , but this will only take effect about an hour when Mark must have sent it to the VP, now, Mark will not like Jack to be alive so he will take the pardon out and discard it as soon as he hears that Hiller was killed. This will help him stay away from the Russian and the presidential signature that was forged will not be held againt him, and I believe that was one of the main reasons he even facilitated for Hiller to die.
3) remember 24 is not a love story so if you try to build up one it will be visited by a horrible crash, that then leads to the twist. When Hiller is later confirmed alive and the pardon was not upheld, Audrey will get mad with Mark and the married will come to an end but the president may not allow Jack near her also Jack may start having some things with Kate, so before Kate will know that her husband is innocent she might have gone far with Jack so Jack will be in between the two.
4) Adrian will later be the centre of the terror and he might convince chloe to come with him against Jack. Also I think Chloe may even have an idea of what Adrian was doing, that was why she said lets help jack so he can live us alone, also she said iistill believe that in what we are doing.
5) at the end Hiller will still die because he just “lived for another day”, and Jack wil be captured by the Russian as it happened with the Chinese, he will not die so that if they decide to act more 24 he can be available.
So when people say that it was not good for Hiller to be alive I think they are wrong cos if he was dead Mark will work free. And fox will not allow the president to be killed by terrorist as easy as that.
Derek
June 20, 2014 at 10:21 amBesides, think of what other potential there is for this twist. Jack and Audrey. Jack can be the hero who saves her dad….AGAIN!!
And what is this mess about Jack being up to no good? C’mon people. The writers respect the viewers enough not to pull a stunt like that. Granted, we haven’t got the whole story on Jack and what he’s been up to, but I think we can assume that he has interest in helping to save Heller and Audrey out of respect for their history.
Can we all just calm down?
Mary
June 20, 2014 at 10:54 amAgentRez
June 22, 2014 at 11:34 pmBradley Adams
June 20, 2014 at 10:31 amchlojack
June 20, 2014 at 11:45 am24 Spoilers
June 20, 2014 at 1:08 pmMy favorite one was in Episode 1.07 where Jack shoots Nina at point blank range and then a couple minutes later we find out he put a flak jacket on her (when Tony was reviewing the security camera footage). That’s something the audience actually witnessed him do, but nobody realized it at the time. It seemed like Jack quickly threw a jacket over her to hide the fact that he was holding a gun to her back as they left CTU, but he was thinking ahead.
I hope this twist will live up to those.
Bradley Adams
June 21, 2014 at 6:35 pmThis one is ridiculous because they spent the entire hour emotionally building to his death. Imagine if Chappelle had survived his final episode. It would have been ridiculous. You can’t just build to a character’s death, then fake killing them. In fact, you shouldn’t leave them alive at all.
AgentRez
June 22, 2014 at 11:40 pm24 Spoilers
June 20, 2014 at 2:33 pmThe file name is 24LAD_EP9-SC903_DS-8802.jpg and the description says it’s from the “7:00 PM – 8:00 PM” hour (which is the correct hour for episode 9). The “SC903” part of the file name indicates that it’s the third scene of episode 9.
Now either this is a mistake, or perhaps the episode might begin with a flashback type scene?
24fan24
June 20, 2014 at 5:32 pmAgentRez
June 20, 2014 at 9:19 pmV
June 20, 2014 at 4:00 pmj713901
June 20, 2014 at 5:06 pmM
June 20, 2014 at 6:19 pmmichaeldc
June 20, 2014 at 8:58 pmAs it’s in real time, I don’t think we’ll ever get to ‘see’ what happened exactly but any explanation along with these images should clear things up… apart from (possibly) where the looped footage actually came from.
At first I thought the episode was better for Heller dying but having looks very closely at it, it’s quite clever and I’m less angry about the misdirection than I was at first when I started reading about how Heller wasn’t dead. Let’s see how they explain it next week but looped footage is clearly at the heart of it.
Michael
24 Spoilers
June 20, 2014 at 11:03 pmAs your image states though, it could simply be a case of poor continuity editing. One of the interviews regarding this episode said they were only allowed to bring four or five crew members onto the field, so I don’t think they shot much footage of this scene to begin with. The editor(s) of this episode may have had to repeat certain stuff out of necessity.
michaeldc
June 22, 2014 at 10:31 amCan’t wait to see the next episode!
24Fan
June 22, 2014 at 1:14 pmJack
June 22, 2014 at 9:24 pmHamish
June 23, 2014 at 3:23 ammichaeldc
June 23, 2014 at 12:56 pmJAlexHogan
June 23, 2014 at 2:23 pmAlso, the drones are undetectable. In episode 5(?), Heller asked if the hijacked drones can be shot down & General Coburn explained that their stealth technology is so advanced that the US military can’t even track down its own drones. Now that the drones are flying over/near heavily-populated London, shooting them down (with their missile payload) would cause major damage.
Shaun Clark
June 23, 2014 at 11:45 amReally annoying google sometimes for posting future spoilers.
Frank Simes
June 23, 2014 at 6:02 pmTrevor
June 23, 2014 at 10:31 pm